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Louvre Reflections II

Louvre Reflections II
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Copyright: Lars Zwemmer (Tue) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 9757 W: 57 N: 16694] (61732)
Genre: Places
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2008-01-12
Categories: Architecture
Camera: Canon Powershot A720 IS
Exposure: f/3.2, 1/800 seconds
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Photo Version: Original Version
Travelogue: Paris Highlights
Theme(s): My Reflection Photos, Reflexos - Reflections [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2008-07-07 2:04
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Louvre Reflections II

For my next post I checked my archives to see if there was still anything worth posting. What I found was this photo, taken in Paris last January, which is another reflection of the Louvre in the famous glass pyramid, just as one of my first photos from Paris.

Musée du Louvre (or just Le Louvre) is one of the oldest (1793) and one of the largest museums in the world. It's located in the heart of Paris, close to the River Seine and at the end of le Jardin des Tuileries. The most famous work of art in the collection is probably Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa.
The pyramid in the foreground is the new entrance of the museum, which was completed in 1989 and designed by architect I.M. Pei.

Hope you like this photo and thanks for your visit!

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Hi Lars, lovely colors, and yes, the reflections there are good to play with... I tried, for example, this one: http://www.trekearth.com/viewphotos.php?l=5&p=874862 Regards, Daniel

Hi Lars,

the perfect choise of pov gives an excellent result. The division of the image in two triangles and the fractured reflections are very appealing, good light, too.

Have a nice day

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  • dip Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 3341 W: 0 N: 2971] (23892)
  • [2008-07-07 2:21]

Hi Lars,
a good clear and sharp photo of this famous building,
excellent framing and amazing colors too,
well seen and composed,

hi Lars, excellent composition with combination of old and new architecture. I prefer an old one.
good clear shot with good notice,.

Hej Lars,
Kul med lite annan vinkel på detta annars så väldokumenterade objekt.
Ha en skön sommar!

Hi Lars,

I like the colourful picture you present here.
Although the sharpness is ok, it might have been even better if you could have used a little smaller aperture to increase the depth of focus.

But the one thing making your photo really special is cropping it to a square. This gives the extra WHOW!

Thanks for sharing,

An original interpretation of a very famous place.
The reflection is very weird. Il is an artwork in itself.
Regards Stefano

this is absolutely great shot, full of light and colors. Excellent composition and perfect moment to capture such place and such scene.


Lars bonjour.
C'est une photo très dynamique autant pour les couleurs que pour le graphisme. La Grande Pyramide joue les miroirs à facettes avec brio.

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  • jhm Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 25087 W: 520 N: 42358] (181452)
  • [2008-07-07 3:32]

Dag Lars,

Ik weet dat dit moderne gebouw zicht excellent leent voor dit beeld.
Maar ik moet er onmiddellijk aan toevoegen dat u het schitterend heeft gedaan, eerst moet u het zien en dan vastleggen, twee fasen die niet altijd samengaan.
De diagonale lijn over het totale beeld roep iets speciaal op, en dit zijn de weerspiegelingen.
Kwaliteit en scherpte zijn perfect. Bedankt.

Groeten uit Vlaanderen,

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  • danyy Gold Star Critiquer [C: 8943 W: 0 N: 0] (0)
  • [2008-07-07 3:32]

Bonjour Lars,
aussi astucieuse que la première que tu avais proposée, cette raflexion. Le photo est nette, les couleurs chaudes, pas mal de choses qui plaisent.
Et une diagonale parfaite en plus.

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  • Rosa Gold Star Critiquer [C: 580 W: 0 N: 0] (0)
  • [2008-07-07 3:37]

Bonjour Lars,
Excellente compo , cette réflexion est superbe bien recherché, de tres jolis détails dans cette image qui est nette,
Et une diagonale parfaite.
Merci du partage,

Hello Lars,
Very beautiful vision of these very different architectures. Your required point of view is brilliant. Quality and the colors are a perfection. Congratulations.
Have a nice day

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  • GLEM Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor [C: 458 W: 115 N: 422] (3004)
  • [2008-07-07 5:31]

hi Lars,
pour en avoir réalisé quelques unes de cet endroit je dois dire que le coup d'oeil est génial pour trouver un angle nouveau. Magnifique rendu des couleurs.


Schitterend, Lars!
Ik ken deze plek uit mijn hoofd, maar dit is naar alle waarschijnlijkheid de meest originele POV annex kadrage die ik ooit heb gezien, en je light management is werkelijk fabelachtig! BLOEDMOOI!
Ik wens je nog een fijne dag, thanks for sharing!
Tot gauw,

You have combined your love of reflections with one of Paris' icons to produce a very creative image. I assume you used quite a long zoom to compress the distance between the pyramid and the building. It works very well. Good work

Hi Lars,
so I see you returned to one of your favorite subjects, reflections! Great one man, the colors are great, the POV is well chosen and the distorted reflections of course! You did very well here, once again, thanks for sharing!

Take care

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  • Charo Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5142 W: 58 N: 12086] (51212)
  • [2008-07-07 9:42]

Hello Lars,
Original and fantastic composition. The excellent reflexes give much graphics. Great colors and details. Great POV.

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  • Cricri Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 16204 W: 159 N: 28248] (148600)
  • [2008-07-07 11:12]

Hi Lars,
Une belle recherche dans le cadrage qui donne de superbe réflexion et une compo original dans une belle lumiére et couleurs chaudes, excellent
Good evening

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  • Emile Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4365 W: 152 N: 5590] (20352)
  • [2008-07-07 11:25]

Hola Lars.
Superb reflection of the beautiful building, very good colors and excellent frame. Your POV is great. Very well captured.
Well done. TFS.
Best regards.

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  • Morac Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1990 W: 221 N: 2765] (27725)
  • [2008-07-07 12:52]

Bonsoir Lars,

C'est toujours un plaisir de voir et de revoir des photos superbement composée que l'on aime bien.
Tel un artiste chaque photographe y apporte son âme et sa touche personnelle.
Dans cette photo en plus du format presque carré, de la superbe diagonale qui sépare la photo en deux parties égales, tu nous offres un très beau et excellent travail avec les reflets.
Merci et amicalement


Bonsoir Lars
très joli cadrage. J'aime beaucoup cette diagonale et la lumière qui amène des couleurs dorées à cet ensemble. Beau travail de composition.

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  • paura Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 7889 W: 56 N: 3790] (25342)
  • [2008-07-07 13:16]

Os reflexos estão captados de forma excelente, como lhe é peculiar nesse tipo de fotografia na qual você é um especialista. Muito boa.



Hi Lars, Another great use of reflection it breaks up beautifully like a half completed jigsaw, the architecture is stunning & there is superb light, brilliantly composed, TFS, kind regards Wilson.

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  • atus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2152 W: 208 N: 4536] (15856)
  • [2008-07-07 14:08]

Hi Lars,
another very good and spectacular shot of your reflection series. You had a very good eye to frame the building this way. The light is perfectly managed and the colours are spot on. I see only a bit of noise on the sky, but nothing serious. Well done!
Tfs and have a nice evening.

This one is as good as the previous one, the golden light on the facede of Le Louvre gives the palace a beautifull color. It seems that the weather was not so bas during your last visit in Paris...

All the best,


Hello Lars,

An interesting distorted reflection creates an abstract impact!
Rich colours and sharp fine details, the scene is well framed with the perfect diagonal...

Pablo -

Hi Lars
Nice vivid colours in this fine composition. I like so much the reflections and how you framed it.
TFS and have a nice day

Hallo Lars,

Het verheugt mij te zien dat je voor deze hebt gekozen. Een foto van zeldzame kwaliteit, mede door z'n scherpte en helderheid, maar natuurlijk vooral door de uitmuntende POV.

groet Rob

mogge puntjes

Hi Lars,
Fantastic POV ... quite original. Very dynamic to look at ... fascinating reflections. Well composed ... excellent work! tfs

Bonjour, cher ami Lars,
Très bien vu ce cadrage mêlant subtilement architecture moderne et ancienne. De plus, le reflet donne un impact évident dans la composition.
Félicitations pour cette réalisation.
Très bonne note d'accompagnement.

Hello Lars,
It is one of the most impressive photos with reflections I see recently in these pages.The diogonal line is fantastic and created a fine geometry to your frame.
I golden composition,I enjoy it very much!

Have a nice day,

hello Lars,

de bien belles couleurs, dans cette composition élégante. j'aime cet endroit !
Bonne soirée

hey Lars
good light and colours, nice play with the reflection,

Hello Lars,
Excellent framing of this beautiful architecture and the pyramid, the reflection is stunning and you have captured a beautiful light, a nice shot!

Hello my friend,
Excellent photo job with a diagonal format with one side of reality and the other with reflection, perfect idea indeed!
good use of the angle of sunlight to achieve perfect sharpness, awesome colouration and superb details
well done

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  • siolaw Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4755 W: 618 N: 10303] (38294)
  • [2008-07-08 18:55]

Hi LArs
I was there the other day, but didn't benefit from such a good light and weather, giving full boost to the reflections.... so i ended up inside the museum! Your compo is very good here with this perfect diagonal and the old buildings standing high in the BG... Nice colors and sharp details too.
Greetings from India

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  • Graal Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 9445 W: 262 N: 3084] (103038)
  • [2008-07-08 23:51]

Hi Lars,
amazing composition and reflections, good idea and realization. I like the sharpness and colours also. Good details of architecture. Well done photo.
Gr., Aleksander

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  • TopGeo Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4033 W: 93 N: 8299] (38220)
  • [2008-07-09 1:13]

Hi Lars! Perfect chot!I admire the beautiful reflections. The statues in the windows and the representations in the pediment and the news-classic architecture next to t o modern building that gives good and interesting impression, you have selected the corner pov that impresses.

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  • toto Gold Star Critiquer [C: 2832 W: 0 N: 0] (0)
  • [2008-07-09 3:42]

belle photo de cette diagonale superbe, le louvre déja vu en réflection I déja jolis, mais celle ci est magnifique.
Que j' adore les réflections, et dans vortre thème sur les réflections, elles sont si belles que je ne me lasse pas de les visionner.
J' ai déja essayer de faire un thème ou l' on pourrait mettre celle que l' on trouve les plus jolies de ceux qui en font mais je n' y arrive pas a le créer.
Continuer de temps a autre vos réflections, je ne m' en lasse pas.

Amitiés Thomas
Je reviens

HI lars,
a great reflection shot very good to see the beatifull architecture also in the glass.
Well done
best regards Toba

marvelous one Lars.
o, ja in het Nederlands. prachtige foto, goed gezien die reflectie en wat een kwaliteit, uitstekend werk, met mijn complimenten. prettige avond.
groet Jaap

Hé Lars,
Mooie compositie, met die pyramide precies diagonaal. Het licht is ook erg mooi, en de foto is goed scherp. Lang geleden alweer, Parijs!

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  • Gerrit Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5783 W: 95 N: 9355] (52989)
  • [2008-07-09 17:14]

Dag Lars,
mooie vervormingen en repetities. Goede kleuren.
Groeten Gerrit

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  • Gustaw Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2500 W: 722 N: 202] (21670)
  • [2008-07-10 0:59]

Hi, friend!
Yes, it is very interesting photo. I like your reflections. I was in Louvre two times. Very interesting place. Good and oryginal composition.

Hello Tue
I was there few weeks ago and I found your pov very nice! You had a good light and i like the distortion of the sunlit architecture nicely captured on the glass pyramid.
Well done

Hi Lars, fascinating composition with fantastic reflections, splendid colors, very well done, ciao Silvio

Superb one of the Louvre, Lars. Problably the best one, when comparing with your other 2 shots. This diagonal dividing the image in two equal parts is fantastic as well as it is the distorted reflection. Congrats.

Hi Lars,
Beautiful shot with splendid diagonal composition. The colours and lights are amazing, details are great. Excellent work, Congratulations. Have a nice day

Hi Lars
I like the nice reflection on the pyramide. Modern and old styl in the same cropping.
Well done

Hello Lars:

wowwww! that spectacular shot, no doubt.

It's a beautiful composition, has placed an angle shooting too interesting, full of beauty, color.

The prospect is very original, which has fully exploited the solar intensity, golden tones, very flashy and details are displayed very well. Great balance also in the frame.


Hi Lars,
Great job, I love this one. I also used these reflections in a recent post, with a larger view.
I like your pov, very close. The colours are great and create a perfect harmony.

hello Lars
fantastic composition,superbly framed!The reflections are absolutly great,this is perfectly done!Congratulations!

Goed avond Lars,

Een zeer zeer mooie standpunt met een origineel standpunt, mooi contrast tussen old en modern, prachtige afspiegelingen,een perfecte techniek. Gefeliciteerd.

I like the colours, the reflection and the angle of the building. Well done.
Best wishes,

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  • UlfE Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2518 W: 81 N: 3653] (14641)
  • [2008-07-11 22:57]

Hi Lars,

It is amazing how many different pictures that could be taken of the pyramid and the Louvre buildings, from different perspectives, in different light and weather and differently composed. You composition here is superb with the very strong diagonal across the picture. Reflections, light, colours and sharpness are also excellent, but in my view the diagonal is the most striking here. TFS and have a nice week-end!



  • batalay Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 6783 W: 476 N: 12169] (41261)
  • [2008-07-12 20:23]

Hello Lars,

Absolutely superb shot of the plate glass façade of the pyramid reflecting the Baroque architecture of the old parts of the Louvre. Your note, as usual, is informative and invites one to dig deeper. The Louvre is the probably the greatest art museum in the world, the Mona Lisa is without a doubt its star, attracting 85% of the visitors to see this small portrait, and I.M. Pei is without a doubt one of the finest architects of the last fifty years. I plan to post a photo in the next week or two from Pei's creation in Washington, DC, the East Building of the National Gallery of Art.

Warm regards,


Ciao Lars,
stupendous game of forms and reflexes accompanied by an excellent sharpness. The beautiful light gives a gilded color to the building that opposes well with the blue of the sky. A very pleasant perfect photo.

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  • adores Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5732 W: 64 N: 11349] (46977)
  • [2008-07-13 16:22]

Hi Lars!
A perfect reflection once more! I like the composition with the glass forming a diagonal, it really works here. Good light and colours!

Hi Lars. Wonderful photo. I love the colour contrasts as well as the contrast of old and new. Nice capture and thanks for sharing.
Have a good week, Paul.

Oi Lars,
Que fantástico reflexo do Louvre nos vidros da pirâmide , os detalhes ficaram muito bonitos , belos tons de azul , parabéns!!
Um abraço Gonçalo

Hey Lars,

Spot on - great, err, perfect reflections, lovely lighting and colors, sharpness - clearness, perspective etc. everything is in the right place here. Beautiful work.

Best regards.

Hi Lars,
Excellent shot, wonderful idea. I love this reflection and the diagonal line that separates the real from the idol. Superb colours, contrast and sarpness.

Regards John

Hello Lars,a great composition with the diagonal line right through the centre.
The light really highlights the details of the building and creates this wonderful reflection.And you have the bonus of that beautiful blue sky.
Tfs, regards Jean.

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  • crckt Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1089 W: 70 N: 1324] (7222)
  • [2008-07-16 12:26]

Hi Lars,
This is a really cool angle for the shot. Awesome reflection! I love the crispness and clarity in this shot too.
Excellent work!

I9 am a bit late to come and say this is a good photo....
And it is, very well worked in composition.
Quality and colors are good.
I like it
Jean Michel

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  • Stepan Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4529 W: 89 N: 3989] (27210)
  • [2008-07-16 23:18]

So you're back in Paris !!
Inspired crop to have a graphic image, with a good style opposition. The 50/50 frame works very well and you had a beautiful light... Well done.

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  • Didi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 8670 W: 4460 N: 15277] (61503)
  • [2008-07-19 7:07]

Hi Lars
Very good frame style with an interesting diagonal of the pyramid shape; its very original and well done.
Best regards.

Hej Lars,
just a very attractive one posted during my vacations. Superb blue and golden tones with good textures. I like the clear details of the original and the "broken" structure of the reflection.
Lieben Gruss, Ulf

Hi LArs, i like the reflection captured
the light is very good too with warm tones
good one!

Hello Lars!
It's a smart and beautiful composition and the result is such a wonderful picture!
TFS - Congratulations!
Warmest regards,

Hi Lars, what can one say about your reflections? You have managed to maintain the details within the exposure limits and not sacrifice the details. Something went wrong in the compression, though.

Olá Lars,

A very original idea of photographing this place so beautiful.Good colours and composition.The reflections adding a special atmosphere to your picture.

Merry Xmas to you,

hello Lars,
Trés belle composition avec cette réflection dans les miroirs de cette pyramide de verre.
Les couleurs sont éclatantes,cela donne envie de s'y rendre merci du partage.

Congratulations on the originality of this shot, Lars. No doubt it has been done before, but it is the first time I have seen it. It is always a challenge to find a new approach when shooting places that have been photographed a million times before, and you have done well to spot this photo op. I love the corner to corner diagonal. cheers . . . David


Excellent image, nice composition and colors.

Jose Luis.

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  • Isa-M Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 264 W: 54 N: 61] (4026)
  • [2009-04-25 23:42]

Hi Lars !!!
wonderful reflections ! excellent view...My congratulations - as you know I like reflections :)
Have a nice Sunday !
Isabela from Poland !

Hi Lars,
a very special mirror shot. Good view angle,
well done!
Greetings from Germany, Hubert

Hi Lars,
The building is marvelous, but what that is more beautiful in this image it's the way to which has been composed, playing with the Baroque and modern forms and with the reflexes. A photo done very well, really compliments!

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  • Fis2 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 10365 W: 161 N: 17205] (131115)
  • [2009-08-18 13:45]

Witaj Lars!
Good idea super effect!
I like the frame and composition.
Interesting colors.

Hi Lars
Of all the photos of the Iconic Louvre, this is my favorite.
creative way of splitting the two subjects, which actually created a third with the reflection.
It would be wonderful to see this one at night as well.
Great work

Hi, Lars. Original composition creating a diagonal at the plane of intersection of the museum and the pyramid. I love the reflection in several layers. Nice light and colors. Regards, Yvonne

Hi Lars,

Very creative, well done!

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  • clic Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 2665 W: 0 N: 3150] (21160)
  • [2014-08-28 10:12]

Goedenavond Lars
I consider you achieved a refined essay that could be posted in a room dedicated to modern art at the Louvre Museum!
Met vriendelijke groeten.

Hello Lars,

congratulations! A great idea to separate the reflection diagonal.

An impressive result. Very beautiful!

Greetings from Sweden


Hallo Lars,
very good reflections and image sharpness, very good information, well done!

Wish you a nice day

Hello dear friend and have a nice time
artistic colorful photo taken in a
particular way showing technical
architectural details
welldone and wellseen

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  • danos Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 13701 W: 295 N: 27478] (110395)
  • [2015-07-31 3:34]

Hello Lars,
superb the created reflections of Musée du Louvre on the glass of Pyramid as making the scene even more impressive.The excellent light and colour management make the image even more attractive.


Hello Lars,

I will go to Paris tomorrow and I hope to shot a wonderful picture like yours here. Perfect composition, excellent sharpness and clarity. I like the picture very much.TFS.

With regards from Luxembourg


Excellent compo and POV for this amazing reflection...

A very good job and a great visual effet,


Superb Image! Great capture and highly artistic. The colours, reflection, composition and framing works fantastic summing up into one great image! Wonderful shot!

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  • berek Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 7512 W: 201 N: 7196] (50508)
  • [2015-09-22 20:14]

Dear Lars
very good idea and a very successful outcome. incredibly beautiful reflection. Of course architecture is remarkble.

Best wishes

Hallo Lars,
Reeds een oudere foto waar ik toevallig langs kwam maar echt een juweeltje!
Mooie natuurlijk kleuren en toch tegelijkertijd een sterk kleurcontrast.
Prachtige compositie met de lange diagonaal tussen beide hoeken.
Uitstekende scherpte. Wonderlijke architectuurfoto!
Vele groeten, Paul

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  • king Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 407 W: 61 N: 510] (4242)
  • [2016-02-11 3:32]

Hallo Lars,

Ik heb ooit ook eebns een foto als deze geprobeerd te maken, maar de kwaliteit van jouw opname is veel beter.
Prachtige kleuren en scherpte, zowel in het oude Louvre zelf als in de reflecties. En natuurlijk loopt de diagonaal keurig van precies de ene hoek naar precies de andere.
Fantastisch gedaan.

Hello Lars,
Both the intricate facade and its reflection are lovely to look at. Well seen and rendered, TFS!

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  • jmdias Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 10495 W: 174 N: 18817] (83639)
  • [2016-05-30 16:29]


nice use of this diagonal with reflections distorting the adornments of the façade. I liked the light and the quality of the compo. TFS.



Hi Lars,
I am not sure what is going on but on some days I cannot open your new photos. I wasn't able to open most of your new photos right now hence I reach to the older one here.
This is a brilliant photography. Classic yet so perfect! The sharpness is amazing light is fantastic and of course the composition combining modern fragment of the pyramid with the Louvre old style works perfectly.

Excellent work! It deserves 190 points!

Olá Lars,
realmente uma imagem inusitada do Louvre, e um belo contraste de cores e tempo. Boas cores.
Parabéns e Abraço,

Impressive angle, fantastic composition and perfect light.
Dynamic photo with the strong diagonal
TFS Lars

Olá, Lars!

Foto muito legal! O reflexo do Louvre ficou muito interessante! Uma visão diferente do museu e da pirâmide de vidro! Parabéns!

Hi Lars,
What a lovely reflection of the golden Louvre palace into the blue pyramid ! There was a lot of protest when this pyramid was erected. I always liked it though, and your photo proves the beauty of the mixture of modern and classical style.
Excellent POV ! Great shot !
Have a good weekend !

Ciao Lars,
How special and well thought out composition with the diagonal reflections of the old on the new. Great exposure and brilliant concept.
Warm regards,

Smart composition and a great use of reflection, Lars. The excellent light falls nicely on the building, and creates wonderful shapes on the glass pyramid

One of the two similar pic.s from same place - just other side, Lars.
Immaculately done the photojob, sharp and distinct photo with best light condition.
Great collection from that place.
Good afternoon,

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